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bardiphouka ([personal profile] bardiphouka) wrote2007-01-14 03:20 pm

On the Non Existance of Christianity

First of all, I am not saying there was or was not a person/divinity named Jesus of Nazareth. It is not the cause but the effect I am speaking of. So atheists may be disappointed. Of course the illogic of Atheism with a capital A as a belief system is a different story altogether.


But..back to Christianity as a dream that never was. As an example, let us take Bob and Ted and Carol and Alice. Bob is a Roman Catholic, Ted is a Methodist, Carol is a JW and Alice belongs to one of those snake handling beliefs. All four of them would say that they are Christian. But what exactly do they have in common? Nothing really. Such it is such as it has always been..dating back to the beginning and the argument between the Paulists and the Petrists.

The question arises, but cannot one be a Christian without belonging to a denomination? Not really, for two reasons. One being that we all tend to keep what we are raised with. There is a fine book out there called Once a Catholic in which this argument is raised over and over again but people who consider themselves ex Catholics but realise the Church is still inside them. And I am assuming that the same would be true in other faiths, although perhaps not always to the same extent?

And the other is that if one attempts to follow the precepts of the winners of the Paulist/Petrists debate then the answer is no. Paul tells us that God exists where people gather together to worship. Of course I am probably just as guilt of cafeteria theology as anyone else, so who am I to blame anyone.

[identity profile] kellingham.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
we all tend to keep what we are raised with

What of those of us who are raised with an official denomination that goes on forms, but with no actual involvement in in and form of religion (beyond what we're forcefed in school anyway)?

[identity profile] laviniaspeaks.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you really think that you can't be "christian" without a denomination? Or is it only that we cannot be the common label of Christian without one? That we can be worshippers of God and Christ without a denomination but cannot call and label ourselves ("ourselves" being a general thing) Christian without the crutch of a denomination?

And what denomination is a church that calls itself just a Christian church? For example, the church I attend here in Indy is called "Common Ground Christian Church." So what denomination is it? I mean, it doesn't actually label itself as "Non-denominational"...so...?

Anyway. I'm not one to talk--I was raised Episcopalian, and still find myself haunted by the litergy, by the rites, and by the seasons...even though I prefer the manner of my church here in Indy.

[identity profile] tonyhippy.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Atheism as a belief system? Dunno about that! I'm an atheist because I simply do not believe there is a god. That's really all it takes to be an atheist (it only needs a capital letter if it starts the sentence).